Spike Jonze The Interview
Adam Spiegel got his nickname while working in a BMX store as a teenager. Known to the world as Spike Jonze, he is now forty, and has spent the last two decades carving out a rep as the slacker wunderkind behind BMX mags (Homeboy), skate vids (Video Days), gonzo-genius TV shows (see Jackass), commercials (Adidas, Miller, Gap), music vids (‘Sabotage’, ‘Praise You’, his latest for Kanye West) and movies (Being John Malkovich and Adaptation.). Somehow, he’s always found a way to yoke the creativity to the commerce without letting the latter drag the former into the mud.
Where The Wild Things Are is Jonze’s most ambitious movie yet. Based on the beloved and apparently unfilmable children’s book by Maurice Sendak, it’s taken five years of Jonze’s life - and every ounce of his creative powers and anti-establishment mojo. Not only was the book considered impossible to film, Jonze had to stand up to the studio to protect his vision. They’d given this skater-punk nearly $100 million to make a movie. They had no idea what they were getting. What they got is something wild, original and elusive. Much like the man who sits in front of HUCK right now. Jonze smiles - guardedly, expectantly. As ever, he prefers doing to talking. He’s our kind of guy.
HUCK: What were you like as a kid?
SPIKE JONZE: Um... [Exhales] I don’t know.
What’s an average day like for you?
I don’t know... Um. Er... I don’t know. I have a very fortunate... Like, I actually do feel like, as far as being privileged, I feel really privileged in terms of my life now, because I feel like I have the kind of job that I can kind of make anything. Like anything I’m interested in can become what I’m working on. And anything I’m working on, I’m interested in. So it’s sort of like... But I don’t differentiate between ‘this is a job’ and ‘this is what I’m doing for fun’. It’s sort of all simultaneous. And I don’t want to differentiate between ‘this is work that I’m getting paid for’ and ‘this is work that I’m not getting paid for’. It’s all the same.
Where do you live?
New York.
So what do you do when you’re not making movies?
Um... I don’t know.
Do you still skate?
Sometimes, yeah...
Is it hard to find time these days?
Yeah, definitely. New York is actually... I haven’t been skating in the city. Um. Um. But, er... Yeah, and the longer you’re off a board, the longer it takes you to get your feeling back on the board. But it’s fun... The best is like, it’s like, I go on trips with Rick Howard, with Rick, and the Girl team, and that’s when I feel like I get back into skating. Because if I go out with them for a week, I’m skating every day. And skating also with those guys, they make you skate better, they’re all going down a set of stairs and they’ll make you do something, whatever it is, then it’s okay, and you end up, you know, skating. If I skate by myself, I’ll never try the things I would try with those guys.
As a filmmaker, do you object to people meddling with your vision? Are you a perfectionist? Or a control freak, even?
I kind of... Yeah, maybe... But I’m also, like, really open. I think ultimately I feel like I get the best results when I’m open to anyone saying an idea at anytime. But it’s my job to say which idea’s right. I know the movie I’m making and I have an idea for the way a scene can be played or the way somebody should be dressed or whatever it is. But if somebody else has an idea that’s better, that’s a better idea and that’s still right... Everyone can have a good idea, but I’m the only one that actually knows if it’s right or not. That’s the thing. I surround myself with people I have great respect for and who are really creative and talented and then it’s like I get to pick the best of all that.
Do you think your skate vids influenced your film style?
I’m sure, I’m sure they have. I don’t know how but I think it’s all, it feels, it all feels, like, I’m not sure... I don’t know. Do you think they have?
Not sure - that’s why we asked!
Okay. Then I don’t know.
So what do you think about the language of skate vids?
I definitely can... I mean, there’s certain things that... The way we filmed ‘Sabotage’, the Beastie Boys video, is the same way we filmed skate videos. Me and my friends driving around LA without anyone giving us permission to do anything and just, ‘Go over there, I’ve got a camera’. I tell my friend to go do this and that, you know... ‘Slide off the hood of a car!’ You know, it’s just... There are things that we shoot that are very much in that spirit. You know, with skate videos it’s you and your friends in a car and the equipment you can carry in that car. And I still shoot stuff like that, I like to shoot stuff like that when the idea’s right.
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